We singles are dating in a different day in age. We date in era that is nearly devoid of any sense of how one should behave in the presence of someone they are interested in/dating/in a relationship with. In general they idea of showing women common courtesy has sort of fell by the way side. I have learned not to expect someone to open a door for me when I get out of a car or offer me a coat when I am freezing my ass off. It happens infrequently enough that I often seemed more surprised (and sometimes annoyed) when someone shows a genuine displays the kind of manners my brother was raised to exhibit when we were growing up.
I can site a few examples of what I was raised to believe were the appropriate ways to behave in front of a lady. (I use that term loosely as my general work in specific areas seems less than ladylike.) When my brother was growing up he was taught to hold a door open for women. He was taught to let them enter a building first. Women ordered dinner first and no one ate until everyone was served. My brother would help (even his sister) step over a wide puddle so she wouldn’t have to walk through it. He was taught to respect the women in his company.
As I got older and started dating I found that most of the boys my age were not instilled with the same sense of obligation to be a gentleman. My parents were born in the thirties and didn’t have kids until they were in their forties so my brother and I were raised with a different set of values than those of most our peers. This was behavior my brother and father both exhibited and I it wasn’t what I experienced dating.
It seemed that many of those practices that had just become part of how my brother and I were raised were absent in the men I dated. My attempts to teach my son to exhibit that same level of common courtesy were hit and miss. He will hold a door when it occurs to him. He’ll give up his coat to a girlfriend but not to his mom. He is polite and very personable. He is humble and generous so most of the important stuff managed to stick.
Dating, I found that men stopped practicing most of these acts. I had a guy friend tell me once that the reason he would only do those things for women he was interested in or dating was because if he went out of his way for just any old girl “she’d get the wrong idea.” I suppose that happens but if it were common practice to be polite then maybe women wouldn’t be so smitten by some guy who was just being polite. It seemed like a bullshit excuse to me.
Chivalry is mostly dead. That may not be the case across the board and most men do practice some acts of chivalry then do something that completely negates any of his good habits. Here are few examples.
I just don’t expect much from men anymore. Behavior that used to be common place, behavior that just meant you were polite and courteous isn’t practiced much anymore. It isn’t just men. Somewhere along the way how we treat each other changed. I like the idea of chivalry but to be honest I just stopped expecting it. I treat people the way I would want to be treated and I expect the same from other people. But chivalry is a rarity. The truth is I am probably always going to open my own door because if I stand in front of a closed door waiting for it to open the chances are I will probably be standing there longer than I want to.
We have learned to settle for men who get by displaying only the bare minimum amount of decency. The days of searching our knights in shining armor have passed. We have learned to accept a dipshit wrapped in tin foil.






nicoyagirl77
/ December 11, 2012so true!!
trjensen
/ December 11, 2012I do my best.
nicoyagirl77
/ December 11, 2012Reblogged this on Dating According to Gizel.
trjensen
/ December 11, 2012Thank you doll!
The Wandering Mind
/ December 11, 2012Chivalry is NOT dead, it’s comatose. People really don’t notice (or believe) when someone shows manners. Chivalry has become an oddity as opposed to mandatory. Sometimes I feel like an alien when I open a car door or something. *Sigh*
trjensen
/ December 11, 2012Do you know that I almost cited you as an example of chivalry. During the e4ntire time I was discussing my personal life and asking you about yours and you always a gentlemen. You never made it creepy. I totally appreciated it.
The Wandering Mind
/ December 12, 2012You sure know how to make a black man blush Teri. I’m not very good at being creepy; courteous is more my style. Thanks for the compliment love.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012Cakes McCain
/ December 11, 2012I think you hit the nail on the head Teri. It’a a tragedy men would think “we’d get the wrong idea” and not behave as they should – with respect and politeness. what egos! I’ve had a few exceptions over the years though. But I did find in Europe men were slightly better at this kind of thing, especially the Brits. It feels like politness/courtesy is dying here. Like in the film ‘Singles,’ the girl says she just wanted a guy that would say “bless you” when she sneezes.
– damn straight!
trjensen
/ December 11, 2012I think about that scene a lot when I sneeze! It is funny you mentioned it. I don’t here bless your very often.
comingcleanaboutgettingdirty
/ December 11, 2012My lover completely surprises me with his manners and kind acts all the time. He does all the things you described, holding doors, and would give me the sweater off his own back if i was cold and so on. He is a true gentleman and something ive never experienced before. I will say it is quite refreshing yet old fashioned but that’s ok. His parents really did a great job raising him. It helps that he his 11 years my senior too because i have yet to meet a guy my age with such manners.
trjensen
/ December 11, 2012It is funny some of the things some guys do retain. Those little nice things they do are often suprising to me. It is always nice to hear some men do have manners. They are few and far between.
LizzieCracked
/ December 11, 2012I was just thinking the other day that not many guys were raised like my brother… I think I tend to be drawn more to the ones who remind me of him simply because of the way he was taught to treat women..
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012I can’t say definitively it wouldn’t change how I veiwed them. I suppose how I felt initially would effect how I felt about their behavior.
luvnlr
/ December 12, 2012You need to move to Arkansas, these homegrown boys still open car doors and building doors. I always try to let them know I recognize that they are doing it and that I appreciate it. I’ll appreciate it even more now that I know it’s not the “norm” everywhere.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012Common courtesy does seem absent most places.
The Reemachronicles
/ December 12, 2012Chivalry is officially dead. You can’t act this way because women look at it as a sign of weakness. A lot of women don’t respect a man who is accommodating and chivalrous. That’s a sad reality of the game right now. You can still be polite without being chivalrous. I will hold the door or let you cut in front of me at the supermarket. As far as me going out of my way to be chivalrous, I’m cool. Women know chivalry is just a way to get sex. That gentlemen shit goes out the window after he hits it a few times. You do have plenty of guys willing to roll out the red carpet for women. Way more simps than true to the game dudes right now. Women aren’t dating them seriously. They might keep them around on some trick shit. Women like a man with a edge, a attitude and who is confident enough not to go out of his way to impress her. I’m not buying women like men who are chivalrous.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012Most of the guys I know who truly go out of their way for women are somebodies filler boyfriend. I wouldn’t know what to do with somebody who was actually just courteous to be courteous. I don’t think I’d assume he wanted me just because I assume most men want me in some capacity. I think if somebody goes out of their way for you, male or female, and you don’t have to do anything to get it I won’t start doing any more because you are being nice. I just figure you want to be doing whatever nice thing you are doing. If I like someone and they start doing things that is a different story.
The Reemachronicles
/ December 12, 2012Plenty of guys who are just courteous without looking for something. Nothing wrong with that. It becomes a issue when you immediately start rolling out the red carpet. You have flowers and chocolates That makes you seem desperate.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012I hate desperate. It depends on how I feel about the guy but I think flowery and emotional tends to bother me way more than some dude doing things for me. I’ve said it before… if someone wants to do shit for me, buy me stuff, pad my ego and I don’t have to do anything to make that happen then… lucky me. Men and women experience it. That won’t change how I feel but I won’t put a stop to it until shit gets uncomfortable.
I think in this day and age you tend to cling to the little things. They standout in the men you are attracted to because they aren’t consistant or a general practice. It still makes me a little sad to think that that means people can’t just be kind to each other without alterior motive. When someone is actually good because they are just good that behavior becomes suspect. I am all about setting the record straight when someone is doing things to get me and it isn’t going to happen. If they keep doing it, I’ll let them. I don’t view them as desperate. It seems desperate to me if they keep trying to make something happen but then I normally tell them to kick rocks.
bossymoksie
/ December 12, 2012I’ve heard some men say feminism killed chivalry but I think that’s bullshit. I think men realized they can get away with being disrespectful in certain relationships. Especially in ones they don’t care too much about. The issue is that women have to hold them accountable. Not sure about the opening doors stuff (that actually annoys me, unless my arms are full or the door is heavy). But just being courteous and respectful of their woman in general (whether she’s short term or not!) If you just shrug it off, then he will too.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012The door thing kinda gets me too but I mentioned that. Just being courteous and respectful should just happen with anyone but definitely in a relationship. I tell people how I feel and if someone wants my opinion then they are going to get it and some people hate that. I am who I am and some people like it and some people don’t but I try to show everyone at least the most basic common courtesy. I have had that misconstrued with guys in the past but I have no issue telling someone they have the wrong idea. If someone continues to confuse the situation then my attitude will change quick and in a hurry but as rule I try to treat people the way I want to be treated.
The Reemachronicles
/ December 12, 2012Respect is a must in a relationship. Without that, you really have nothing!
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012Respect, trust and security. You are right though. You can’t have relationship without ‘em.
The Reemachronicles
/ December 12, 2012I had one girl insist that I open her car door. Of course I refused and come to find out, she’s doing porn now hahaha. You already know my motto is “Girl get yo ass in this car”. You can still be respectful without going out of your way.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012LOL! I think there has to be a basic level of respect that doesn’t mean openning doors but if that is something she felt like she needed then I hope she found it. I don’t thinking dating should be a battle of the wills.
The Reemachronicles
/ December 12, 2012That’s the thing. She didn’t really want that. She was trying to see if she could put me in a simp bag. She wanted to see if I would man up and check her. I did and the rest is history.
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012I am always pleasantly suprised when someone does something nice but I never expect it.
bossymoksie
/ December 12, 2012LOL at that story. That’s the thing. There’s a difference between someone who genuinely doing those things, and those who are doing it because they think they should. But agree with you Narcissist, it’s always feels good when people do womething nice and thoughtful for you, especially if you’re fucking!
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012Fact!
The Wandering Mind
/ December 12, 2012One word: Altruism
trjensen
/ December 12, 2012It is nice to have people do things just because.
thephilosopher101
/ December 14, 2012trjensen
/ December 18, 2012Glad you are happy.
nancyelauzon
/ December 14, 2012Your post is bang on, once again. ‘Polite Society’ is a thing of the past, no matter what gender you talk about. The problem is, when you expect less, you get less. Maybe that’s why my daughter is still single. She won’t settle for less. I think she’d rather be single than settle for a dipstick in shining tin foil. But if every single woman revolted and went on dating strikes and demanded to be treated better, maybe men would get their act together. That’s my fantasy, anyway
trjensen
/ December 18, 2012Thank you Nancy and thanks for sharing this post. It means a lot to me.